Podcast of radio interview exploring xenophobic violence in South Africa and recent attacks against Malawian nationals in Durban, KwaZulu-Natal. The state refuses to call out and xenophobic violence, choosing to refer to this violence as ‘criminality’. By denying the existence of xenophobia on the one hand, and inciting violence against foreigners on the other, the state plays a key role in perpetuating violence against non-nationals. Why does the state refuse to acknowledge xenophobic violence?